tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post7600994445410197272..comments2023-10-20T06:41:31.943-07:00Comments on Visits to Candyland: The difference between Protestant and Catholic ChristiansElena LaVictoirehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-9109063117935676712008-08-22T13:51:00.000-07:002008-08-22T13:51:00.000-07:00I didn't realize it myself until we ended up discu...I didn't realize it myself until we ended up discussing it to death. When I saw the author, I realized that it was the same author. <BR/><BR/>I don't have a memory that great, either. March was a long time ago!Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16120027058653022897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-29094531454141825562008-08-22T13:45:00.000-07:002008-08-22T13:45:00.000-07:00Oh Kelly, I'm sorry - you posted this back in Marc...Oh Kelly, I'm sorry - you posted this back in March! I thought it was familiar!<BR/><BR/>Maybe I should just delete this one.Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-20672028015167697112008-08-22T13:41:00.000-07:002008-08-22T13:41:00.000-07:00I know you didn't write the article, but you publi...<I>I know you didn't write the article, but you published it and you seem perfectly ok with publishing false and misleading information if it furthers your cause.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, the other day I posted a link to a website with a bunch of pictures and information about Japanese Christians, even though it said that statues were used to worship Mary, when that was false and misleading. <BR/><BR/>When I read this article, I mentally cross out "all Protestants" and write in "fundamentalist Christians." Clearly, it bothers you a lot more that we understand, because we don't fall under the umbrella of "protestant." (Hey, I thought Lutherans were reforming instead of protesting, anyway.)<BR/><BR/>I agree that the article is over simplistic, and should have been more specific in what theology he was describing. It actually reminds me of a guy I knew in college, who was in a pre-seminary program. We were discussing an assignment I had to attend church at three different denominations. He said, "I've never been to a Protestant Mass, but someone told me that some of their priests are married."<BR/><BR/>As a former Episcopalian, Fr. Longenecker really does know better. But I also feel that he does a good job of explaining the difference between the Catholic and fundamentalist worldview (as far as my understanding goes), and that is why I believe I posted the article myself a while back, which prompted your initial protests.Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16120027058653022897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-46170644478457481892008-08-22T13:34:00.000-07:002008-08-22T13:34:00.000-07:00Well Elena, you know that just as you rightly find...<I>Well Elena, you know that just as you rightly find it upsetting when Candy (or whoever) paints a false picture of the RC church, so do I get upset when someone paints a false picture of Lutheranism.</I><BR/><BR/>But I don't write about Lutheranism. I wasn't thinking about Lutheranism. My kids have their piano recitals in a Lutheran church from a Lutheran piano teacher. I have no problem with Lutherans!! In fact the aforementioned church has had great community outreach and use to turn their entire church building into Bethlehem and everyone was dressed in Biblical clothing and welcomed the public to come and Journey to Bethlehem. I have had absolutely nothing but good experiences in real life with Lutherans. I don't know how to make it any clearer!!!<BR/><BR/><I> I'm sorry, but the paradigm that the author attributes to "protestants" doesn't even apply to the majority of Protestantism! </I><BR/><BR/>I understand that. Maybe the author or the editor should have changed the title to be a little more precise. What I found interesting was that Candy recommends finding a Baptist church and this comparison was made with a relative who is a Baptist. <BR/><BR/><I>That majority would identify with the sacramental paradigm but the author of this article would make it seem as if ALL of protestantism has a basis in decision theology. That is patently false and misleading.</I><BR/><BR/>Well I don't know that the sacramental paradigm is the majority but be that as it may I was presenting it on this blog because of it's Baptist leanings looking at it as a way to understand Candy's Paradigm. I'm trying to understand what it is that generates so much hate within her for Catholics.<BR/><BR/><I>I know you didn't write the article, but you published it and you seem perfectly ok with publishing false and misleading information if it furthers your cause. Why shouldn't I call you to account for that?</I><BR/><BR/>Because you're a Christian and you are to assume the best about a fellow Christian unless proven otherwise. I believe the biblical model would have been a private e-mail with your concerns instead of automatically assuming (as you have done before) that I was in some way acting without integrity.Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-89250248927584537982008-08-22T13:28:00.000-07:002008-08-22T13:28:00.000-07:00I stopped reading when I got to where the writer c...I stopped reading when I got to where the writer claimed to know the mind of "every" Protestant. <BR/><BR/>Telling a Protestant not the "put the shoe on if it doesn't fit" is disengenous when refering to an article that lumps EVERY Protestant together. <BR/><BR/>It's stuff like this, which presumes to tell people what "all" others believe, that creates hard feelings and divisions. Can't we do better?Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11511751668667484731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-6072283130419260782008-08-22T13:20:00.000-07:002008-08-22T13:20:00.000-07:00Well Elena, you know that just as you rightly find...Well Elena, you know that just as you rightly find it upsetting when Candy (or whoever) paints a false picture of the RC church, so do I get upset when someone paints a false picture of Lutheranism. I'm sorry, but the paradigm that the author attributes to "protestants" doesn't even apply to the majority of Protestantism! That majority would identify with the sacramental paradigm but the author of this article would make it seem as if ALL of protestantism has a basis in decision theology. That is patently false and misleading. <BR/><BR/>I know you didn't write the article, but you published it and you seem perfectly ok with publishing false and misleading information if it furthers your cause. Why shouldn't I call you to account for that?Unashamedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345811007444142398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-18460998192702724772008-08-22T12:58:00.000-07:002008-08-22T12:58:00.000-07:00Sigh... you know... I'm just trying to understand ...Sigh... you know... I'm just trying to understand the difference in the paradigms. This article seemed a benign, sincere attempt to understand where each side is coming from and as the pastor-to-be in this article is mentioned several times to be BAPTIST I'm not sure why that's a problem. <BR/><BR/><BR/>I liked Sal's disclaimer and though I kinda wonder why I have to put it up for longtime readers like you and Sue Bee, I will for the sake of any newbies.<BR/><BR/>I hope that settles it. Otherwise, I may in the future continue to post articles I find interesting or informative and just close comments. I didn't write the article, I'm just sharing it.Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-17294476952987033952008-08-22T12:50:00.000-07:002008-08-22T12:50:00.000-07:00Elena: Please, let's not do the "what about the Lu...Elena: Please, let's not do the "what about the Lutherans" discussion again. Kelly is right, this blog is focused on Protestantism through the lens of Candyland. When I see articles like this, I think of how they would be good for THIS blog with THAT specific focus. <BR/><BR/>Even if what is being presented is untruth about the majority of Protestantism? It's ok because it rebuts Candy? That, frankly, lacks integrity.Unashamedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09345811007444142398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-47344339975736819242008-08-22T08:34:00.000-07:002008-08-22T08:34:00.000-07:00I still say we need a big fat disclaimer at the to...I still say we need a big fat disclaimer at the top of the home page:<BR/>"If the Protestant shoe described in any post doesn't fit you, then please DON'T put it on! We are not, in this case, referring to you. NO offense is intended."<BR/><BR/>Because, seriously, we're busy women. We don't have time to run through all the combinations and permutations of the various Protestant theologies, even though we know they exist. And as Elena pointed out, we're usually not discussing the mainstream.<BR/><BR/>As a general comparison of the two mindsets, I think this was a good article.Salhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201226644704622876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-80400738136096792472008-08-22T06:10:00.000-07:002008-08-22T06:10:00.000-07:00Sue, Please, let's not do the "what about the Luth...Sue, <BR/><BR/>Please, let's not do the "what about the Lutherans" discussion again. Kelly is right, this blog is focused on Protestantism through the lens of Candyland. When I see articles like this, I think of how they would be good for THIS blog with THAT specific focus. <BR/><BR/>EElena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-27729161876933679002008-08-22T06:07:00.000-07:002008-08-22T06:07:00.000-07:00So basically your Candy, but instead of being agai...<I>So basically your Candy, but instead of being against Catholics your against Protestants, or just Baptists? </I><BR/><BR/>I'm not against anybody and neither was this article. This was an attempt by the author to examine the different paradigms and ways that Catholics and some Protestants approach things. It was an attempt at understanding the other side, not bashing it. Did you even take 2 minutes to read the article?<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>You two are the opposite and the same at the same time. </I><BR/><BR/>I doubt it.<BR/><BR/><I>Even if Candy is dead wrong though, at least her ideas are well though out and tend to have some reasoning behind them.</I><BR/><BR/>OK, I'll bite - can you give me an example of one of her well thought out ideas against Catholicism with the reasoning, that we have not already rebutted?Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-79834948349319457722008-08-22T02:19:00.000-07:002008-08-22T02:19:00.000-07:00Hi, somewhat off topic here, but you may be intere...Hi, somewhat off topic here, but you may be interested to know that a new blog is opening up. I read about it on 'the other site'. It seems that it's aim is to provide a place where people can write their stories about how they "came out of the church of Candy, or simply how you came to understand the truth behind Keeping the Home".<BR/><BR/>The blog author is anymommy and she says<BR/>"Then I investigated Chick and the Babylon book. That was eye-opening. I can't believe I was hoodwinked by so many lies.<BR/><BR/>I am now re-examining my religious beliefs. I am seriously considering returning to the Catholic Church, from which I have been seperated for almost 20 years. The falsehoods Candy has published caused me to investigate the truth, and I am discovering it, day by day, in my Bible, without her twisted interpretation. My faith now is not based on stereotypes and superstitions and rumors. It is grounded in the truth, and it has set me free."<BR/>The name of the blog is inspired in my opinion. It's called 'Come Out Of Her'<BR/>You can read it here:<BR/>http://truthaboutcandy.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>Just passing it on for anyone interested (it's not my blog by the way!)Clare@ BattlementsOfRubieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13672603563016876943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-57573712955201557702008-08-21T19:30:00.000-07:002008-08-21T19:30:00.000-07:00Kelly - Clearly, if we've learned anything here :-...Kelly - Clearly, if we've learned anything here :-), protestant theology comes in all different shapes and sizes. Articles such as this one from Catholics Online, which lump all protestants together, should be read with a critical eye. Does he honestly not know that millions of protestants believe in sacraments or does he assume his readers are ignorant?<BR/><BR/>Laura, do you mean me or Elena?<BR/><BR/>BTW Kelly, how are you doing healthwise. Still praying for you!Sue Beehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13342939305850558827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-21989144430409404842008-08-21T17:04:00.000-07:002008-08-21T17:04:00.000-07:00Sue, I do acknowledge that it is a bad Catholic ha...Sue, I do acknowledge that it is a bad Catholic habit to lump almost all denominations under the heading of "Protestant." Usually we remember to except the Orthodox, and on a good day, someone might remember the Anglicans. <BR/><BR/>That used to drive my husband crazy, but a short year after he converted, I heard him refer to "Protestant theology," a phrase he swore would never pass his lips.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, we tend to post things which represent Candy's theological worldview, or our understanding of it. I'm sure that was the case with this article. <BR/><BR/>Laura,<BR/><BR/>Intelligent people can acknowledge theological differences without spreading lies about the beliefs of other denominations. Now, if we start posting that Johnny Hunt is the anti-Christ, you might have a leg to stand on.<BR/><BR/>Feel free to visit again, if you'd like to have an actual conversation.Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16120027058653022897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-40169828872417638532008-08-21T16:45:00.000-07:002008-08-21T16:45:00.000-07:00So basically your Candy, but instead of being agai...So basically your Candy, but instead of being against Catholics your against Protestants, or just Baptists? You two are the opposite and the same at the same time. Even if Candy is dead wrong though, at least her ideas are well though out and tend to have some reasoning behind them.Laura Ashleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07366548098069504653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-12605348635825086132008-08-21T15:15:00.000-07:002008-08-21T15:15:00.000-07:00I think his understanding of protestants is limite...I think his understanding of protestants is limited to the Baptists. He ignores the many protestant sects that recognize God's grace through sacraments - Lutherans, Methodists, Prebyterians, Reformed, Episcopalians and others.<BR/><BR/>The backbone of Lutheran theology is that we are saved by Grace through Faith - not by "man's response."Sue Beehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13342939305850558827noreply@blogger.com