tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post8253070828330292941..comments2023-10-20T06:41:31.943-07:00Comments on Visits to Candyland: Catholic LiteracyElena LaVictoirehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-26380314715284351282009-01-17T09:36:00.000-08:002009-01-17T09:36:00.000-08:00I admit I tend to dwell on the past and don't know...<I>I admit I tend to dwell on the past and don't know very much specifically about what catholics do around the world today. (Don't laugh)</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not surprised at all. From your comment it was pretty clear that you did not know that the Catholic Church is one of the biggest charity providers in terms of education and medical care in the world.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>First of all, the original discussion was based on what Candy said about catholics keeping the bible from people in the past, so that was my subject. </I><BR/><BR/>And we're pretty much clarified that. The Catholic Church DID NOT keep the bible away from the people. In fact it continued to teach the people the gospel despite the high illiteracy rate and the lack of printed materials to teach from. Candy has mentioned bibles chained to the church, but that is much like references books that are forbidden to be removed from a library- the bibles were costly and time consuming to reproduce and so they were kept safe in the church for the sake of the people.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Secondly, I do know that catholics do much good around the world in many ways, such as pro-life work for one.</I><BR/><BR/>Ah well thanks for throwing us that bone I guess. The Catholic church is the only church that has not bent in the area of contraception, abortion, and marriage. <BR/><BR/><I>Thirdly (if that's a word), I am glad that catholics are learning the scriptures, and hope that this will lead many into a greater knowledge of the truth. Maybe in some ways, American catholics put evangelicals to shame, because the latter are going the wrong way fast, and forgetting their biblical heritage.</I><BR/><BR/>I can't comment on that. The Protestant Christians I know are good, Godly people who would find Candy's articles and charges to be complete crapola. We have a mutual respect. <BR/><BR/><I> That's not to say, however (as you know) that I think the catholic church as a whole is in the truth. </I><BR/><BR/>There is only one Catholic Church. There aren't parts of it in the truth and parts of it out of the truth. Obedient, devout, Catholics who are following the teachings of the church under the guidance of the pope and the magisterium believe in one truth.<BR/><BR/><I>This is a time of Apostasy, we believe, and many people are going astray.</I><BR/><BR/>This is true. Which is why I am standing firm in my Catholic Faith.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Fourth; I can't help seeing that many catholic countries are still backward in literacy and education, and that contributes to my understanding of what I have learned of past practices.</I><BR/><BR/>You should read up on the history of Nigeria. I think you'd be surprised to learn about their government and history and how Catholics (priests and nuns in particular) have been arrested and murdered. <BR/><BR/>Then do a quick google search of the Catholic missionaries in South America who have been shot. <BR/><BR/>It's not the church holding these people down...Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-71974676994862240722009-01-16T18:13:00.000-08:002009-01-16T18:13:00.000-08:00Elena,I admit I tend to dwell on the past and don'...Elena,<BR/>I admit I tend to dwell on the past and don't know very much specifically about what catholics do around the world today. (Don't laugh)<BR/>First of all, the original discussion was based on what Candy said about catholics keeping the bible from people in the past, so that was my subject. Secondly, I do know that catholics do much good around the world in many ways, such as pro-life work for one. <BR/>Thirdly (if that's a word), I am glad that catholics are learning the scriptures, and hope that this will lead many into a greater knowledge of the truth. Maybe in some ways, American catholics put evangelicals to shame, because the latter are going the wrong way fast, and forgetting their biblical heritage. That's not to say, however (as you know) that I think the catholic church as a whole is in the truth. This is a time of Apostasy, we believe, and many people are going astray.<BR/>Fourth; I can't help seeing that many catholic countries are still backward in literacy and education, and that contributes to my understanding of what I have learned of past practices.Jenniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17126868703568627388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-57170819572260419842009-01-16T11:39:00.000-08:002009-01-16T11:39:00.000-08:00In general the heirarchy of the Church has not bee...<I>In general the heirarchy of the Church has not been interested in general or biblical literacy in the past, or in undeveloped catholic countries today.</I><BR/><BR/>But that's simply not true! Catholic missionaries, priests and nuns have gone all over the world and even in this country set up schools.<BR/><BR/>Have you ever heard of the <A HREF="http://www.mklsisters.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=10" REL="nofollow">Maryknoll Sisters?</A>Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-32913036968584226102009-01-16T11:29:00.000-08:002009-01-16T11:29:00.000-08:00My comment on the catholic church 'keeping their p...My comment on the catholic church 'keeping their people illiterate' was in the context of past history, not present day. I know that, at least in developed western countries, bibles are readily available, most people are literate, and catholics are generally encouraged to read scriptures. Also, I know there are exceptions to the general practices of the Church in the past. In general the heirarchy of the Church has not been interested in general or biblical literacy in the past, or in undeveloped catholic countries today. <BR/><BR/>You are right about the protestant practice of teaching children separately from adults using songs and stories and pictures. There is a movement among some to bring children back into the service with their families so they can hear God's word and learn to participate in worship at an early age.Jenniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17126868703568627388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-59685793325946373482009-01-13T07:49:00.000-08:002009-01-13T07:49:00.000-08:00There was a related comment Jennie had made about ...There was a related comment Jennie had made about Protestants focusing more on reading scripture and preaching while Catholics still focused more on pictures and songs. <BR/><BR/>I think these anti-Catholic ideas that Catholics don't read the Bible come from two erroneous observations at either end of the time-line. <BR/><BR/>On one end you have the Catholic Church historically trying to prevent erroneous and unauthorized translations that reflect heretical doctrine, which is portrayed in Fundamentalist Skewed History 101 as the Catholic encouraging illiteracy, especially of the Bible, in order to maintain their control of the people.<BR/><BR/>This idea is re-enforced by modern observation that Catholics in general don't tend to memorize chapter and verse, so the conclusion is drawn that they don't read the Bible at all and this is how the Church keeps people enslaved. "If Catholics just read the Bible they would see that the Church is wrong." That's what I was getting at.<BR/><BR/>I must say, Kelly, you're right on top of things for someone who just had a baby not more than 24 hours ago with three other children around. Of course, the baby is probably the easiest one to deal with.Barbara C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03568254165279635079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-44104525072800161032009-01-12T12:50:00.000-08:002009-01-12T12:50:00.000-08:00I think that Jennie senses a certain dichotomy bet...<I>I think that Jennie senses a certain dichotomy between Catholics and Protestants when it comes to Biblical literacy, but not in the way she understands it.</I><BR/><BR/>In a previous comment, Jennie said that the Catholic Church intentionally kept people illiterate in order to keep the Bible hidden from them. That is why this post is focused on actual literacy.Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16120027058653022897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-853207333094285361.post-15087836513699335272009-01-11T19:50:00.000-08:002009-01-11T19:50:00.000-08:00I think that Jennie senses a certain dichotomy bet...I think that Jennie senses a certain dichotomy between Catholics and Protestants when it comes to Biblical literacy, but not in the way she understands it.<BR/><BR/>Protestants have had a tendency to memorize scripture word for word chapter and verse. Since scripture is all they will acknowledge, this makes sense to an extent. <BR/><BR/>Catholics have been more content to learn the general stories and parables and roughly what section of the Bible they are in. For average Catholics the focus has been more on what the points or teachings of certain Bible stories are as opposed to the exact wording and location. Furthermore, many Catholics do not realize that so many of the rituals we follow are steeped in Scripture. We don't just read the Scripture; we experience the scripture.<BR/><BR/>I think many Protestants assume that because Catholics don't memorize scripture by chapter and verse that we don't "know" or "read" the Bible at all, when we really we just assimilate the information differently.Barbara C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03568254165279635079noreply@blogger.com