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Thursday, February 17, 2011

Thoughts on the return of Candy

Thanks Kelli for the update. I had no clue she was back, nor was I looking for her.

Candy said some things on the other site that I found interesting. She apologizes to me there later on in the comments. Why not just come directly here? She knows that would have put a comment in my e-mail that I would have seen. Why take a chance I would miss it hidden in comments over there?

She also brings up the house thing and it's a lot different than the way I remember it. As I recall she even named my street. But whatever.

She's also trying to convince people that her name isn't Candy Brauer. I still have the e-mail where she specifically asked me not to use her real name. So that's all heading into head scratching, puzzling behavior.

But since she never meant to cause hurt or anxiety and she wants to be accepted on those terms, I'm wondering why she never ever ONCE acknowledged the work we put into answering her points about Catholicism. She would say something about the church, we would prove it wrong with references, and she would just keep repeating the same thing over and over and over totally ignoring evidence to the contrary.

But I'm willing to play nice. I just asked to join her forum and if I'm allowed (Fat chance) I'm going to ask her about the things we have in our Vatican Vs. God rebuttals we have in the side bar.



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Wednesday, February 16, 2011

Candy's back!

It has been quite a while since our last blog post, but I thought I should at least mention that Candy is back.  Hopefully she will be sticking with homemaking and uplifting Christian content and not dipping back into "enlightening" Catholics, but we've already got responses to her articles written, so we're set either way.

I find it kind of ironic that Elena and I have tried to make a real effort to keep this blog focused only on the theological content of Candy's blog and not make personal comments, but that other blog is the one which gets the written apology from Candy.  I'm sure Elena appreciates the apology, even if it was left on the wrong blog.


Sunday, November 7, 2010

The Resurrection of the Body

Today's reading touched on a topic that I have been thinking more about lately.  Have you noticed that the Christian idea that there will be a bodily resurrection is dying out among mainstream Christians?  It is more popular now to think that we will be leaving our inferior bodies behind, to become be joined with God in spirit or as "pure energy."


The resurrection of the dead was a hot topic in the time of Jesus.  It has become an accepted tradition that we don't really think about much today, but at the time your view of the resurrection depending on what you accepted as Scripture and your view of tradition versus a literal interpretation of that Scripture.



Luke 20:27-38
Some Sadducees, those who deny that there is a resurrection, came forward and put this question to Jesus, saying, "Teacher, Moses wrote for us, If someone's brother dies leaving a wife but no child, his brother must take the wife and raise up descendants for his brother.  Now there were seven brothers; the first married a woman but died childless. Then the second and the third married her, and likewise all the seven died childless.  Finally the woman also died.  Now at the resurrection whose wife will that woman be? For all seven had been married to her."

Jesus said to them, "The children of this age marry and remarry; but those who are deemed worthy to attain to the coming age and to the resurrection of the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.
They can no longer die, for they are like angels; and they are the children of God because they are the ones who will rise.  That the dead will rise even Moses made known in the passage about the bush,
when he called out 'Lord, ' the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; and he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive."



The Sadducees were trying to ask Jesus a trick question here. Who were the Sadducees?  They were the Jewish group whose worship centered around the Temple, rather than the synagogues.  Like the fundamentalists of today, they rejected oral tradition and insisted on a literal interpretation of Scripture.  This is why they did not believe in a bodily resurrection, because it did not appear in the Torah.  Yes, you read that correctly, the idea of a bodily resurrection does not appear in the Torah.  Because Jesus is replying to the Sadducees, who do not accept anything but the Torah, his restrains his answer to the Torah in reply.

Not to criticize Jesus or anything, but I always found his reply a little lacking in proof for the resurrection of the dead.  I always thought God was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob because he was the God that they worshiped.  Still, this verse is one that we Catholics reach to as proof that the dead are not unaware of us.  If "his is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive" then we can pray for the dead, and they can pray for us, because they are alive with God.

The Jewish belief in a bodily resurrection was only gradually developed.  Scholar N.T. Wright writes, "When we turn to ancient Judaism the picture is both very similar and very different.  The Hebrew Sheol, the place of the dead, is not very different from Homer’s Hades.  People are asleep there; they can sometimes be woken up, as with Saul and Samuel, but to do so is dangerous, and forbidden. That is the picture we get from most of the Old Testament. . . The Sadducees deny the world to come altogether, reminding us that resurrection was and remained an explicitly political doctrine, about God turning the present world and its power structures upside down.  Thus the Pharisees’ belief in the resurrection was part of their generally revolutionary ideology: as in Daniel and Maccabees, resurrection was an incentive to martyrdom."

N.T. Wright references the books of Maccabees, which is one of the books which was removed from the protestant canon because it contained references to praying for the dead.  Yet removing Maccabees also removes some of the most explicit references to a coming bodily resurrection.

2 Maccabees 7:1-2, 9-14

It happened that seven brothers with their mother were arrested and tortured with whips and scourges by the king, to force them to eat pork in violation of God's law. One of the brothers, speaking for the others, said: "What do you expect to achieve by questioning us?  We are ready to die rather than transgress the laws of our ancestors."

At the point of death he said: "You accursed fiend, you are depriving us of this present life, but the King of the world will raise us up to live again forever. It is for his laws that we are dying." After him the third suffered their cruel sport. He put out his tongue at once when told to do so, and bravely held out his hands, as he spoke these noble words: "It was from Heaven that I received these; for the sake of his laws I disdain them; from him I hope to receive them again."

Even the king and his attendants marveled at the young man's courage, because he regarded his sufferings as nothing.  After he had died, they tortured and maltreated the fourth brother in the same way.  When he was near death, he said, "It is my choice to die at the hands of men with the hope God gives of being raised up by him; but for you, there will be no resurrection to life."




Clearly, Christians today believe in a bodily resurrection because it is explicit in the New Testament scriptures.  But the belief in a bodily resurrection by Jesus and the Pharisees was based on their acceptance of oral tradition, and of the inspiration of the deuterocanonical books such as the books of Maccabees. 




Saturday, September 18, 2010

Thursday, September 16, 2010

The State of the Blog

This blog was originally started as a place for me to test my templates for my main blog! A blogging friend of mine named Alexa was helping me work on my template - so now you know why the URL for this blog is so strange... MDC (My Domestic Church)-Alexatestblog .blogspot. com.

Meeting Candy was a complete fluke as well. She was nominated for a homeschool blog award and her link was on their site as one of the nominees. In trying to make my choice of who to vote for, I clicked on her link. The rest is history!

It was never our intention to bash Candy's lifestyle or her family and I think we did a good job of keeping away from those topics. We have naysayers who continue to say that we did, but they haven't produced any clear examples of when we did. Disagreeing with someone is not the same as bashing them.

There is a lot of very good information on this blog that Kelly and I worked very hard on so I intend to leave the blog up. Feel free to refer to our posts at anytime.

At this point with Candy gone, we probably won't be as active. I am homeschooling five kids from Kindergarten through 12th grade, plus giving occasional support (food and laundry!) to my oldest. Kelly is homeschooling her kidlets and continuing her education as well. Life is full and busy.

Which is not to say that we won't ever post here. Definitely if something in the news or our lives pops up that we want to share, it will happen here. Kelly's post below was a good example.

I do get an e-mail for every reply that is left in the com boxes. I will enforce the commenting guidelines a lot more strictly than I have in the last two weeks - on topic, no adhominems being the biggest to be enforced. Feel free to leave comments, send me an e-mail or visit my main blog.

Peace Out!


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Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Hell As Motivation

Katie Allison Granju posts on her blog today how some Baptist missionaries tried to "save" her by exploiting her son's death:

They shook their heads sadly and explained in so many words that given where I go to church, it’s possible that Henry is actually burning in hell right now. They then went on to suggest that “now would be a good time” to ensure that my remaining children do not meet a similar, fiery fate by bringing the kids to THEIR church, which God and Jesus apparently favor over my own.

Then they handed me some church-produced literature about the dangers of gay marriage and abortion and whatnot, and went on to the next house on our street.

I stood there, watching them walk away, bemused by the unmitigated gall of these women.
Did two Baptist missionaries just come into my yard and tell me that my recently deceased child is likely FRYING IN HELL? Why yes, yes they did.
 Compare this to some of what Candy has written:

This means being willing to talk about God outside of church, and not
wimping out by saying that you will witness simply by being an
example. What kind of Christian stands by and says nothing as their
family and friends head towards hell? If they reject the Gospel that
is one thing, but did you give them the chance to reject it? Every
Christian is commanded to spread the gospel.

Those who are headed for hell won't like you anyway, but being a
strong witness to the truth, you can help save those who recognize
Christ's call.

I'm sure these Baptists did not intend to offend Katie, and Katie seems good-natured about it.   But I have to wonder what this method of conversion says about their view of God. 

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.


Is accepting Jesus as your Savior out of fear of punishment what God wants?  We should desire to follow God out of love, not out of fear.  We should respect God, yes.  Fear of the Lord is a virtue.  But just as God gave his only begotten Son out of love for us, so he wants our love in the same way.

If you are going to suggest exploiting the death of a loved one to try and convert someone, I would suggest trying this dialog instead.  "Do you know how much you love Henry?  Well, that's how much God loves you.  And do you know how you would have given anything to have been able to save his life, even give up your own?  God loves you so much, that he became human and gave up his own life to save yours."  Maybe you could then read the parable of the lost sheep.

How do you guys feel about this?  What do you suggest would be the best thing to say?  

Tuesday, September 7, 2010

Where did Candy's Blog Go?

If you click on the link to Candy's blog over in the right hand sidebar, it says the blog doesn't exist!! Did she delete it? Did she forget to pay for her domain name? Did we finally wear her down? or was she simply too busy or bored with it to continue?



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Monday, September 6, 2010

Professional Catholic Apologetics

I just put up a new link in the left side bar to a Catholic apologetics site - Called to Communion.
It is run by a group of gentleman, all converts to the Catholic faith. Very intellectual, very well-run and the discussion is respectful and challenging. Check it out!

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Saturday, September 4, 2010

Archives of interest

I don't particularly like going over the same ground again so for those of you you playing at home:

Our posts on
The Whore of Babylon Part 1

Whore of Babylon Part 2

Mega Whoring link list!


John, Mary and the Ark

Mary in in the book of Rev.

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Thursday, September 2, 2010

Cue theme from X-files here...

I'm not going to out the blogger that wrote this. It wasn't Candy.
I'm stunned real people in 2010 really have thoughts like this.

If the Church is teaching things that are contrary to scripture, persecuting God's people, and uniting itself with governments, then it is acting as the harlot of Babylon, which the reformers and earlier dissenters recognized. She is called that because she leaves the protection of her husband and unites herself with other protectors (states), seduces people by a false gospel, and kills those who do not comply. This is the picture in Revelation 17. This is what the reformers and other earlier bible christians saw and testified to. Thousands and thousands were killed for not bowing to this 'church'. This was happening for hundreds of years, up until the late 1800's. The papacy lost temporal power then, but still influenced states by concordats and other treaties in the last century and this one. I believe it will happen again, and be united with other 'church' hierarchies to persecute those who hold to the word of Christ. So I am here to give this perspective as a warning to watch for the signs of the times.


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