You can read the latest at Candyland here. This time Mr. Candy speaks. I guess I'm supposed to get to the end of the article with the scales pealed back from over my eyes or something. Instead I stifled an urge to yawn and started googling for a good link to use in my response.
I hate to say it but if you've heard one anti-Catholic screed, you've pretty much heard em all.
I did find this humerous: The "you are ignorant about the Roman Catholic faith" card cannot be played here
LOL!! Puhlease. Anyone who grew up in the Catholic church over the past 40 years or so knows that cradle Catholics for the most part are poorly catechized. Growing up Catholic or having your butt in the pew every Sunday for 30 years does not an educated/well-catechized Catholic make! Sad but true.
Nonetheless, I'd like to see Mr. Candy take on the verses at this site or this one.
But I don't expect that will happen any time soon.
19 comments:
Hmmmm......I spent over 30 years in a "bible church" and now I'm Catholic. Wonder what that means?
I stumbled on her/his post earlier this evening and just laughed. No matter how many times you tell them we don't eat a cracker or worship Mary or any of the other insane things they claim, they just don't hear it when you inform them. Thy don't WANT to learn. Ignorant, indeed!
I must say that every time she posts some misinformation, I use it to talk to my kids. We had a very good round robin at the table debunking her. I am very VERY proud of my children!!
Said by 12 and 13 yr olds:
Cracker? Does she mean the Eucharist? Someone needs to tell her it IS the body of Christ! Then they got side tracked with the giggles on crackers and Ritz and wheat thins if you are watching your weight and low fat is the other line. LOL Kids!
No bible? She things we don't have bibles? Mom, EVERYONE knows what a bible is.. and most religous people have them. Son wanted to know why she thought ALL Catholics never read the bible or cracked one open. He said it was ignorant to lump us all into one category just because when her husband went HE didn't do those things. He laughed and said "so nobody showed him the misselette? The readings are in there. Everyone knows that!"
Worshiping Mary and the Saints? We pray to them that they guide us. We don't worship them. Statues? It's an object. Kinda like a knick knack to remind you of that person. We only worship ONE God.
Jesus on the cross. Well, yah, he WAS there mom. It's a reminder of that time. Like a flashback in time (son came up with that one). It's so we never forget! Does she keep pictures of her wedding or of her kids? Well, does she get rid of them because it's time gone by? No, it's a memory! One we should never forget either.
I asked about being "robots" in church. They laughed. She don't kneel to pray at all? At least we know what to expect. Mom! I seen people taking NOTES at a church on tv.. NOTES.. it's not bible study, it's CHURCH! And the man on the alter was screaming and jumping around. It scared me and I turned the channel. I'm glad we know what to expect each week. It's like a routine.
That's when it hit me! Candy often talks about her HMB and all her tweaking of her routines... things just work better when you have a routine. People know what to expect! So, it's okay to have a routine in your house cleaning/teaching/cooking/exercise.. but it's not okay to have a routine at church???
I had to explain this part to my kids and then they got up and started doing the "robot" around the room.
Finally, son asked how come this lady was still asking the same questions about Catholics because he had heard me talking to Dad about this awhile back. He suggested she go to RCIA HAHAHAHAHA!!
So.. her blog is reaffirming the Catholic beliefs at my house! Thanks, Candy!
Rachel, you are doing a great job catechizing your kids! If Mr. Candy had been properly catechized when he was a child, he would most certainly be a devout Catholic today.
Almost as obnoxious as his post are the Candy-approved comments being generated by it... *rolling eyes*
"That's when it hit me! Candy often talks about her HMB and all her tweaking of her routines... things just work better when you have a routine. People know what to expect! So, it's okay to have a routine in your house cleaning/teaching/cooking/exercise.. but it's not okay to have a routine at church???"
BINGO!
That post by Mr. Candy makes me want to "work" all that much harder to get to heaven just to see the looks on their faces to see me there!
Can somebody clue me in as to why it is so all-fired important to read the "approved" Bible or any Bible "straight through, in order, no jumping around?" I wonder if heaven is divided up into different "neighborhoods" determined by which translation of the Bible you read while on earth. Maybe not, maybe nobody will be there unless they read the "Approved KJV."
How many times is it required that one read the Bible straight through or all the way through in order to get to heaven?
Here's a comment from the post:
" Love the post Candy and all the roman catholic stuff going on with certain bloggers is horrible. I was also roman catholic for most of my life and didnt really "know" God until i got out of it and started to actually read my bible. I never brought a bible to church with me cuz there were always the programs handed out at the doors for us to follow and it was always the same thing....stand at this time, kneel at this time, sit at this time, say this at this time and so on.....just a bunch of little robots in the pews.
Lisa | 10.04.07 - 5:51 pm | #"
This sounds familiar to me. Maybe she's posted it twice. Hey, I've been going to Mass at least once a week for more years than I am willing to admit and I gotta tell ya, not once has anyone ever handed me anything at the door except possibly the bulletin. Programs? What's a program? We don't have "programs" at Mass for crying out loud. Our missalettes were always in the pews. OH! Wait! Maybe I'm wrong. I do seem to recall that at Easter Vigil there might have been special handouts with the names of the people being welcomed into the Church and the order of the liturgy and responses specific to that liturgy. Hmm, could it be that maybe "Lisa" was what we sometimes refer to as an "Easter Catholic" or a "Christmas Catholic?" Her comment sounds like the post Candy wrote about her personal experience of the Mass, doesn't it?
Candy said (in part):
"I also found it quite disturbing how everyone was basically handed a "script" as they walked in the door. - Kneel at this time, say this with the congregation at this time, sing this at that time, kneel again at this time, say such and such prayer at that time, repeat this phrase three times, etc."
Hey, that's got me wondering. When I first read this post by Elena, of course I clicked the link and went right on over to Candy's to read the post. I noticed when I reached the end that the "comments" weren't available at that time. A few minutes later, I go back to reread something and, ta da, the comments are back. That's happened before where the comments are gone or inaccessible for a while and then they come back. Could it be that Candy has disabled them while she concocts her own "comments" or have I just gone 'round the "suspiciousness" bend?
If it is true, I feel sorry for "Lisa" as she was apparently another victim of no or poor catechesis. Sadly, their numbers are legion. But, I ask you, where is the personal responsibility? And, where were the parents with whom the primary responsibility for catechizing the children lies?
Here's a question for all you cradle Catholics like me. Do you remember how old you were when you got the hang of the "routine?" For crying out loud, how long could it possibly take before you knew when to stand, when to sit, when to kneel, what the parts of the Mass were and what they signify? My siblings and I were "playing" Mass in the living room when I was as young as three and we had it down pretty good even then. I knew what was going on. I never thought it strange that we didn't carry our Bibles to Church. And, yes, all seven of us had our own Bibles. We also had our own Missals which we did carry into Mass until, I think, 1969. We still have them. Good thing too 'cause I can brush up on my Latin in preparation for the return of wider use of the Tridentine Mass. Wow, wonder what Candy and crew would think of THAT Mass? Maybe she'd think we were "speaking in tongues."
Okay, enough of my nonsense. This "little robot" is going to bed.
P.S. I happened to notice that the "BANNED BY ADMINISTRATOR YOUR COMMENTS WILL NOT BE ADDED" or whatever it said no longer appears at the top of Candy's comment box. It is oh so tempting but, I've probably done more than enough damage to my immortal soul for one day.
Candy'c com boxes are on moderation, so she will be able to read the comments even if she does not post them. I'd be interested in someone asking her about this:
That's when it hit me! Candy often talks about her HMB and all her tweaking of her routines... things just work better when you have a routine. People know what to expect! So, it's okay to have a routine in your house cleaning/teaching/cooking/exercise.. but it's not okay to have a routine at church???"
Faithful Catholic said
"Can somebody clue me in as to why it is so all-fired important to read the "approved" Bible or any Bible "straight through, in order, no jumping around?" I wonder if heaven is divided up into different "neighborhoods" determined by which translation of the Bible you read while on earth. Maybe not, maybe nobody will be there unless they read the "Approved KJV."
I wonder if she means cronological order or page number order?
Please don't think all non-Catholics are like Candy. They're not. Most non-Catholis are really nice, normal people who love their faith and respect other faiths. I don't know why people think their "type" are going to be the only ones in heaven. It just makes me so ill. I promise myself I am not going back to her site. I just can't take the hate and the ignorance anymore. She and her family, especially her children need prayer, and I urge everyone to pray for them.
That cracker comment just pushed me over the edge. Why when Catholics have Communion it's a cracker but when she takes Communion it's holy and spiritual? Ugh. I'm not going back.
Mary
faithfulcatholic wrote: "Can somebody clue me in as to why it is so all-fired important to read the "approved" Bible or any Bible "straight through, in order, no jumping around?" "
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That's Candy's own man-made doctrine; she is her own pope after all.
Mary wrote: "Please don't think all non-Catholics are like Candy. They're not. Most non-Catholis are really nice, normal people who love their faith and respect other faiths."
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Mary, I just want to say agree with you. I have many friends who are non-Catholic; in fact my best friend is Baptist. My whole family is Protestant. Most Protestants I know DO respect other faiths. In fact, most of the guests at my children's First Communion were Protestant friends who were supporting us in our decision to become Catholic.
faithfulcatholic wrote: "This sounds familiar to me. Maybe she's posted it twice. Hey, I've been going to Mass at least once a week for more years than I am willing to admit and I gotta tell ya, not once has anyone ever handed me anything at the door except possibly the bulletin. Programs? What's a program? We don't have "programs" at Mass for crying out loud. "
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Really. I've also been attending mass faithfully since 2005, and I can't think of one time I've been handed a "bulletin" or "program." I've been to many Catholic churches around the country, too.
BTW, the comment about being raised a Catholic and never getting to knowing God is really not a Catholic problem - it can happen with *any* faith. Off the top of my head, I can think of two friends who were both raised in Baptist homes (not related) and today as adults are agnostic. Obviously, they didn't get to know Christ either.
BTW, the comment about being raised a Catholic and never getting to knowing God is really not a Catholic problem - it can happen with *any* faith. Off the top of my head, I can think of two friends who were both raised in Baptist homes (not related) and today as adults are agnostic. Obviously, they didn't get to know Christ either.
You hit the nail on the head.
In a bit of an off topic post her allow me to ramble on a recent example of what that statement struck me. We were just having a similar conversation not too long ago with some friends. One of them apparently "heard" that Barak Obama "used to be" Muslim and only changed religion when he wanted to get involved in politics. Having just read his two books it was pretty easy for me to use fact to debunk those myths. But, they all kept coming back to "his father was a Muslim"....and I kept saying "No, he wasn't" and, well, you get how it went.
His father was raised in a Muslim country, but did not practice Islam. In fact, he wasn't even raised in a predominantly Muslim country; he was Kenyan and Kenya is more Christian than Muslim by a landslide; only about 10% of the country is Muslim. But, apparently that 10%, to some, defines the country as Muslim?
Barak was raised in Hawaii, in the United States by a white, American, Protestant mother and grandparents. His step father moved the family to Indonesia for his job for a few years and Barak attended a predominantly Muslim school, but not a school that taught Muslim beliefs or practices.
Meaning, simply by being in a Muslim country (however incorrect that designation is), or a predominantly Muslim school for two years, does not make him, or anyone else Muslim.
Just as me, having grown up here in the US, which is a predominantly Christian nation, does not automatically make me a Christian.
Just as attending Church as a child, or coming from a family that claims to be one religion or another, does not automatically "make" you of that religion.
Relating this back to the topic at hand, which is Candy's Catholic bashing (and that of her husband) simply growing up attending a Catholic church does not make you Catholic. Nor does it make you representative of every Catholic who has ever practiced the faith.
Mary,
I, for one, don't think all non-Catholics are like Candy. I have friends, and now even relatives, of many faiths, who are all wonderful people in my book. That is not at all a problem with me. Heck, I live in the Bible Belt now and am surrounded by an overwhelming majority of non-Catholics. We manage to get along just fine.
When it comes to religion and my non-Catholic friends, I try to heed the advice of St. Francis who said something to this effect: "Preach the Gospel always, sometimes use words." (I'm too lazy to look up the exact quote right now.) It's actually been good for me to have many more non-Catholic friends because they ask me questions about Catholicism and, when I'm stumped, I have to look it up and learn before I answer.
Out of the mouths of babes! Can you believe my 15 year old (typo in original post - he is not 13) caught onto this! He asked if she was a robot with her "chores" since she did them on a schedule. And we have all seen her micro manage that schedule!
If memory serves me correctly, I don't think she and the Mr are legally married. I recall her writing about them making a promise? to each other?? Can someone correct me on that? Soo.. if that be correct... wonder what God has to say about that??? Granted, I could be mistaken, but I sure don't think so. Maybe she has taken it down?
Thanks Blondie for the kudos on my kids. I was quite surprised by my son's responses. For someone who is so quiet about things like that he sure piped up and even asked me if I had her phone number so he could call her and discuss some things with her. HAHAHAHA
I think I'll post a comment regarding routines in church and see if it gets published. I'm really curious what her thoughts are.
blondie and faithful catholic, I have once or twice attended a Catholic church where either the song book or the missalette was handed out at the door. Both church kept the books on a bookcase by the door, and had designated greeters to pass them out on your way in and say good morning, welcome to the church.
Both had made a conscious decision to adopt this practice to make the church seem more welcoming. I can't say that it seemed like a bad idea to me.
On the other hand, as this is fairly new, I don't know that it would practiced anywhere, say, 15 or 20 years ago. Perhaps she was thinking of passing out the bulletins on the way out the door, and confusing it with missals on the way in the door.
There were so many wonderful comments here that I really don't have anything to add. I just wanted to give a nod of agreement to those who pointed out that Candy seems to think that a routine is necessary in the home but completely wrong when it comes to worship. Has anyone pointed this out to her? I am curious about how she would respond to this question.
I just wanted to give a nod of agreement to those who pointed out that Candy seems to think that a routine is necessary in the home but completely wrong when it comes to worship. Has anyone pointed this out to her? I am curious about how she would respond to this question.
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Yes, just waiting for it to appear... or be censored!
In response to the cracker comment. Most Fundamentalist or Baptistic churches actually use crackers during communion, so I don't know why she tried to degrade the Lord's Supper by refering to a wafer as a cracker when I would bet the farm that her church uses broken up crackers or Wonder Bread.
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