Saturday, March 29, 2008

KitKat, I haven't put anything false about the Roman Catholic church up. All of the information I gathered, was straight from The Roman Catholic Catechism, writings of the Vatican, and from personal interviews with current practicing, non-practicing, and ex- Roman Catholics.

Specifically, take a look at my "Vatican vs. God" article under the 'Deceptions Revealed' section in the left hand side bar. That's all I did there, was show that what the Vatican teaches is often the very opposite of what God teaches in the Bible. I took quotes (most of them direct) from the "Holy See" Vatican website, and compared them to scripture.

I hope that discerning readers would take the time to look at the Catechism of the Catholic Church for themselves without just taking Candy's word for it. While it is true that Candy did consult the Catechism, just as with scripture, she cherry picks the parts that meet her agenda, and leaves out parts that do not.

For example, Candy writes:
Vatican says - "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." Reference - Catechism of the Catholic Church #841

God says - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. -John 14:6

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. -John3:16-18

I'm not sure why Candy thinks this disagrees with even HER version of Christianity. Afterall, Candy believes that she is supposed to go out and make believers and bring them to Christ. Why would she do that if she didn't believe that everyone is included in the plan of the Creator? Don't all Christians believe that to some extent or the other, all are called to believe and that our purpose is to spread the Good News of Jesus Christ so that they can believe? And if that is true, wouldn't that also include the Muslims? So I don't understand why this paragraph of the catechism is being set up as being against the scripture when it seems to me it merely compliments it!

Not so surprisingly then, she left out these paragraphs:
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.334

2822 Our Father "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."95 He "is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish."96 His commandment is "that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another."97 This commandment summarizes all the others and expresses his entire will.

183 Faith is necessary for salvation. The Lord himself affirms: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned" (Mk 16:16).

849 The missionary mandate. "Having been divinely sent to the nations that she might be 'the universal sacrament of salvation,' the Church, in obedience to the command of her founder and because it is demanded by her own essential universality, strives to preach the Gospel to all men":339 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and Lo, I am with you always, until the close of the age."340

We debunked Candy's article "Vatican vs. God" in several places, all of which are saved on our side bar and archived here.

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Joy said...

For some reason the Vatican vs God posts do not show up for me. Do I need to be a Delicioso (not sure if I got that right) subscriber in order to see them?

Thanks for standing strong and continuing to point out Candy's misinformation. You've been at it a long time and I admire you for keeping it up.

a soldier's wife said...

This post will not show up for me either...

Elena said...

I didn't think you had to belong to Delicious, but maybe you do. It's a free registration and it is kind of a neat place to store stuff.

Kelly said...
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Kelly said...

I couldn't get the Delicious thing to work either, thought I did download a toolbar for firefox.

We've written 5 articles previously with the label "God versus the Vatican" and you can access them through the labels:

Elena, could we add a label category to the sidebar? I've seen those on other blogs, but I'm not sure how it works. Maybe e-mail me?

Elena said...

Fixed it!