Wednesday, April 9, 2008

FYI- The Vatican and Geography

I doubt any of Candy's readers over at actually LOOKED AT A MAP but here is the city of Rome, with Vatican City off to the West sitting on ONE hill, not Seven.

I guess the only logical conclusion is that Candy et al hate Italians? just a hunch?

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Anonymous said...

I've been to Rome, and to the Vatican.

I honestly don't have a clue where she comes up with seven hills.

Just in case someone reading doubts that I've been there, thus doubts my opinion on the hills as if I'm just going with the flow or something, my pictures can be seen here:

There are about 25 or 26 pictures of the Vatican...

When I travel I read a lot of history about where I am going; this seven hill thing has not been made reference to in any of the Roman History (and let's face it, there is a lot of history in Rome, and there is a lot of information about it) or Vatican history.

I am truthfully very confused about the sources regarding the seven hills.

Blondie said...

Where did she come up with it? Not on her own. My guess this came originally from Lorraine Boettner.

Blondie said...

Or possibly Dave Hunt, author of "A Woman Rides a Beast."

Anyway my point is that Candy writes as if she thought of all this "whore of babble-on" stuff on her own, but it's been around for years.

faithful catholic said...


I just looked at your photos but, it's not because I doubted that you'd been there. I was just interested. I dream of taking a trip to Italy someday soon. Thanks for sharing those photos.


You are correct; her statements are not based on any independent or original thoughts. She parrots what she reads or hears of those who think like she does. There is no critical thinking or research involved in this behavior.

There are tons and tons of groups, many of whom have websites and youtube videos, who all make the same assertions. It's a religion unto itself. Proving the "pope as anti-Christ" and "Catholicism is cult of the devil" appears to be their sole purpose and mission. It is truly very sad.

Anonymous said...

Faithful Catholic, the picture link wasn't just for those doubting...I only made that comment because sometimes, when a topic is "heated" people doubt what others say simply for the sake of doubting. I didn't want to say "I've been there and I know better" or have it taken that way; my expressed opinion was based entirely on the experience I had, which was being there...Anyone who wants to look at them can do so; heck, I wouldn't have a public picture site if I were worried about who looked, ya' know.

ramble, ramble, ramble.

And, as an aside, if you can ever make it happen, GO TO ITALY! I've been fortunate enough to travel quite a bit in my adult life and there has never been a place that has gotten into me like Italy has. I never had much interest in it before I went; I'm not Italian and I thought there were hundreds of other places I'd rather see. We went because it was part of a trip throughout Europe. Now that I've been, I'd give anything to magically learn to speak Italian and live out the rest of my days there.

Blondie said...

I fell in love with the idea of living in Italy when I watched the movie "Under the Tuscan Sun." I would love to be able to go someday. It's my dream vacation.

Erika S. said...

Perplexity- I too have had the privilege of visiting Rome and the Vatican. It was such an awesome experience. If fact it was inside the Vatican that my Episcopalian husband told me he was taking RCIA classes and would join the Catholic Church that Easter. I saw Pope John Paul give his New Year's address and it was so powerful.

About the seven hills- It is a historical fact that Rome was built on seven hills- Palatine Hill, Capitoline Hill, Quirinal Hill,Viminal Hill,Esquiline Hill,Caelian Hill, & Aventine Hill but as someone pointed out the Vatican is not within the borders of these hills, it is across the Tiber on Vatican Hill. The "modern" city of Rome actually has 11 hills. The additional being Janiculum Ridge, Vatican Hill, Pincian Hill, & The Aventine. So maybe who ever came up with this Whore of Babylon stuff was thinking about ancient Rome and the Roman Empire. They truly were Pagans who were not very nice to Jews or Christians. To equate the modern City of Rome or even Vatican City (which is it's own country, NOT part of Rome) to the Whore of Babylon by first looking at geography is idiotic. There are many other cities which are situated on seven hills, how about all of these-

Erika S. said...

here is the full link with the cities on seven hills. -

faithful catholic said...


I knew you probably didn't think I doubted you! I'm one of those people who actually likes to look at other people's vacation photos and videos. Probably because I don't get to take vacations regularly anymore.

And, as soon as I have the opportunity I do plan on going to Italy. I am half Italian on my dad's side. Both his parents were born and mostly raised in Italy. Everyone in my family has been to Italy except for me. I am jealous. Anyway, when I can, I will visit Italy and hopefully tour some of the cathedrals of France. I've got this thing about stained glass windows. Plus I love the old architecture.

Blondie, I know just what you mean about wanting to move there after seeing that movie. Who knows, maybe when my duties here are done, I will do just that. There really won't be much to keep me here. I guess I could use all my spare time now to teach myself to speak Italian. Too bad my grandparents are no longer around to teach me. My dad used to speak it pretty well but, he's forgotten most of it now.

Anonymous said...

Erika, you are one smart cookie. Do you know all this stuff or do you have to look anything up?

Reading that link I get a vague sense of having read or heard about the seven hills before; some of it is ringing bells, but they're too quiet to really kick in a memory.

Erika S. said...

perplexity: I did remember about the hills but I had to look up their names. I am not really that smart just a really good "googler".
Also my husband has a masters degree in history so that helps too.