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Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Who Candy Is.

Candy's latest article tries to give us more of a feel for her real personality. She explains:

Unless you know me in person, then you probably have certain pictures in your head of who you think I am, and you are probably wrong about some things. I think this is why some of the anti-Candy websites are out there, and I think that is why some of the comments I get are (to me) outrageous. I think when I don't fit the personality that people have assumed I possess, then they get angry, or feel let down. Thus, this article is to tell you a bit more about me, so that some people's miss-conceptions about me have more of a chance of melting away without someone being hurt or angry.

I don't feel that this "anti-Candy website" came about because of a misconception about Candy's personality. It has to do with her misconceptions of what Catholicism is about.

These particular points caught my eye:

6. I am not a legalist Christian. I know we have liberty in Christ, therefore, if I see the need to slip on a pair of blue jeans, I have no problem doing so (except that I don't currently own any).

7. I don't believe that you have to be "dresses only" to be saved.

Candy wrote just last week about modest dressing, and a sort of picture of the Christian mother. These are two topics that I consider myself impartial on, because it really doesn't bother me that Candy is dresses only, or that she homeschools. Yet, after reading the two articles, I came away with a definite impression that she was saying that if you are a Christian, you MUST wear only dresses (if you are a woman), homeschool your child, not let your child attend Sunday school, etc.

So yes, this is informative, and changes my impression of her a bit. Candy does, clearly, have a strong personality. Perhaps she is so forceful when she gives her opinion on matters, that she can give the impression that she feels everyone should follow that opinion. It would be helpful to have a way to understand when she is giving her opinion, and when she is giving a declaration of fact (for lack of a better term).

What I am leading to here, is the next point on her list:

10. I believe what the Bible says about how to go to heaven, and that is this:

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. -Romans 10:9-11


What I am more confused about Candy than anything else, is why she feels that Catholics are not Christians. This is a very simple criteria for being saved.

1. Catholics confess with their mouth the Lord Jesus.
2. Catholic believe in their heart that God has raised him from the dead.
3. Therefore, Catholics should be saved.

Yet, Candy wrote to Angie:
Angie, it's nice that you believe in Jesus Christ - whatever that means. I believe in Abraham Lincoln, but that's not getting me into heaven. Also, I already told you that I'm not condemning you, GOD has ALREADY done that, and I gave you scripture which proved it.

Clearly, we are working with a different definition of "to believe" here. I suspect (and again, I'm admitting this is total speculation) that Candy would argue that true belief is followed by actions. What she has mentioned before is that you would have a total change of life, and start reading and studying the Bible. If you study the Bible, you would see the errors of the Catholic Church and leave it.

Therefore, to be saved, a Catholic must leave the Catholic Church in order to have a true faith. If Angie, or whoever, remains in the Church, then whatever they are professing, it isn't a true faith in Jesus.

My concern with this is that it sounds like "works salvation" to me. In order to be saved, you must perform the action of leaving the Catholic Church.

Now, one of the criticisms that we receive is that we take apart posts which don't have anything to do with Catholicism. What this post is about, is just sharing some of my thoughts as I read through what Candy has written. Sometimes, there are so many questions that I wish I could ask her, so I could understand her thought process, and so maybe understand her view of Catholicism a little better.

Plus, this blog is really boring when we don't post for days on end, so we might as well have something to discuss! If we have any readers who have similar theological views of salvation to Candy, please feel free to post your understanding of the topic. I know that you don't represent Candy, but it can still be helpful.


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31 comments:

Tracy said...

AWESOME POST KELLY!!!!!!

Elena said...

By the same token, I don't think Candy et al know us all that well either. They can't believe that people would make a logical, practical, sincere objection and actually choose to deal with it in a constructive manner. It's totally beyond some of their paradigms. Therefore, to their way of thinking, we must be evil, mean, angry, hateful, hypocritical etc.

Additionally, it seems some believe that because we are Catholic, we must also be stupid! After all if we would JUST READ the bible, we would understand. If we say we read it but still don't see it that way, then we must have a comprehension problem! Or we just like killing babies, killing heretics, worshiping statues etc.

Kelly said...

By the same token, I don't think Candy et al know us all that well either.

That gives me an idea for a post for tomorrow, Elena. Ten Things I Share With Candy, or something along those lines.

Benjamin said...

I tried to post this on the spider blog, but it said, "no anonymous comments allowed". Anyway, has anyone noticed that all the spider blogs have been taken off her site now?

Perplexity said...

By the same token, I don't think Candy et al know us all that well either. They can't believe that people would make a logical, practical, sincere objection and actually choose to deal with it in a constructive manner. It's totally beyond some of their paradigms. Therefore, to their way of thinking, we must be evil, mean, angry, hateful, hypocritical etc.

I, personally, think that hits the nail on the head. Certain teachings, beliefs, etc. leave no "wiggle room" so to speak. Leaving no room for interpretation, comfort, joy, acceptance, tolerance, or personal feeling.

Taking the human being out of emotion, belief, fact, history, tradition, comfort, tolerance, etc. leaves no room for error - or disagreement. Or, perceived error or disagreement.

If the truth is that accepting Christ as your personal savior is the one and only way to salvation, nothing else matters beyond that. As I've said before, aside from the obvious, nothing really matters.

If you pray a "certain" way, if you follow a church's teachings, if you wear dresses, if a woman does not work outside the home, if you home school, if you give to charities or volunteer your time...all of those things would be irrelevant if simply acknowledging and accepting Jesus as your savior were the one and only way to get into heaven; to be saved.

Given that, why would anything else a Catholic person may be or do matter? If Catholics ADD to it, how can that be negative? How can that possibly negate the simple fact of accepting Jesus?

I sincerely and honestly think that there are too many people in the world who want to be special; who want to be better than others; who want to know something others don't.

And, in my opinion, that is where a lot of this comes from. A lot of the "this faith is wrong"...it makes people feel better about the choice they made and has nothing to do with the other person.

The Catholic church has been around for at least a thousand years, in its current state. More, in other states. It is a threat; that is why so many people "hate" it. At least that is the only reason I can see for others to have such disdain for it.

But, if everyone would look at themselves and what they preach, it shouldn't matter at all. Accepting Jesus Christ is what is relevant. Beyond that, what one does, or doesn't do, is for the comfort, joy and happiness of the individual. Some people take comfort4h in having control over their homes. In knowing what is happening when, knowing who eats what, messes what, does what. Others take comfort in knowing they can predict anything and never be caught off guard. Some take comfort in being the best they can possibly be, and get into a mindset that they are so good and righteous they because have found their answers, they think it is everyone's answer.

That will never be the case.

I will never, until the day I die, see how once someone accepts Christ but does more to give, do, feel, belong, help...whatever can be anything other than Christ like, a Christian. I'll never see how that could be considered "wrong", or a cult or the object of anyone's disdain.

It's no secret I am basically agnostic. But, at the same time I wouldn't be here if I weren't trying to figure it out; if I weren't totally and completely comfortable with my current situation. Yet, at the same time, trying to make peace with it all.

Given that, I am not sure what I believe. But, I am sure of one thing.

People do well with structure. With study. With having someone else to turn to. With "rules and regulations" so to speak.

If none of that is needed, it doesn't matter if a woman works or stays at home; it doesn't matter how many kids you have or if you use birth control; it doesn't matter how you dress, how you educate your children, how you spend your Sunday's, whether your drink or not, whether you are promiscuous or not...none of it matters worth a damn.

Sorry for the rant.

angie said...

I get the strong feeling that Candy is reading along here from some of the posts she is putting on her blog. Am I totally reaching, or could it be possible that she is trying to soften her stance? She has been so adament in the past about the KJV bible being the only legitimate bible- now it's her preference but not everyone has to read that version. The scripture she quoted also opens the gates of heaven to us Catholics. I am praying that she might be considering the possibility that Catholics are indeed Christian too, but maybe I'm just naive. I guess time will tell, but I hope that's the case. Feel free to correct me if I am missing something.

Nancy Parode said...

You know, Angie, I don't spend much time at Candy's blog these days, but she does seem to back away from her anti-Catholic stance at times...sadly, until now anyway, she has, in the past, come out with seriously anti-Catholic posts just when we were hopeful of a more charitable attitude.

I'm not correcting you, nor am I reading Candy's blog on a regular basis.

Only Candy and God know what's in her heart, and we all have to be content with that. I know I'm not the only person praying she will find a path to a more tolerant position.

Rachel said...

Angie - That's usually the lull or the quiet before the storm. She posts about the RCs and then goes back to the HMB or cooking and then wham! Another post about the RCs.

Perplexity! Yes!! That's what I have been trying to get into a sentence! If accepting the gift is all we need.. what does it matter if we do MORE? Thanks!

Benjamin - She claims she was declutting some posts and the spider ones were lost. Hmm...

Gerald said...

Hey I heard about this site and thought I would come check it out. I find it interesting so many people spending time waiting to see what Candy will say next and they don't even like her. I remember in grade school asking my mom what I should do if some kid called her a name? My mom said, "What do I care about some little kid calling me a name? That is no reason to start a fight." That comment has been with me ever since.
I am no Catholic, my Grandpa is and I love him a lot. I am Church of Christ, and I know that there are plenty of websites out there devoted to disagreeing with what I believe the Bible says, but why would I go to that website. It is not going to build me up in any way.
I have recently learned that when you study the Bible look at the Bible to find out if what you believe is wrong, not if what you believe is right! Meaning don't just find verses out of context and try and make it prove your point. Try and find verses that disprove your point and if you find them you have some more studing to do, because maybe (us being human) we might not be 100% correct.
That might be a better use of your time then visiting Candy's blog.
So you maybe asking "Then why are you here." Well my wife posted on her blog one day then a few days later she got to wondering about these anti-Candy blogs so she made her way here to find her comment on this site. She told me about it and I thought I would come check it out.
I am not mad. I am really not. I do really wish you would spend more time loving people and showing people Jesus in the way you live (because I know that you are good people, I know that) and not spend time just ripping up what someone else has to say.
I can not imagine that a whole lot of good is comming out of it. If you want to have a websit devoted to the truth then have one with your own post.

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Phil 4:8

So anyway I have been here seen it and said what I wanted to. I plan on taking my own advice and I will not be back because comming here is not being a good steward of my time.
(p.s. if you have read this thinking I had angry tones, please reread it and make that inner voice calmer, it is so hard to communicate that in writting, people often hear one thing when another is meant.)

Messyjo said...

You CAN NOT be catholic and call yourself a Christian it just isn't possible. The catholic church is a CULT just like the Mormon church...

Elena said...

Hey I heard about this site and thought I would come check it out.

Welcome

I find it interesting so many people spending time waiting to see what Candy will say next and they don't even like her.

Who said we don't like her? We specifically do not like her posts on Catholicism because they are full of errors. That is entirely different. Look through the blog Gerald. There are lots of positive comments about her homemaking posts.

I remember in grade school asking my mom what I should do if some kid called her a name? My mom said, "What do I care about some little kid calling me a name? That is no reason to start a fight."

1. We don't do name calling.
2. We didn't start this fight.


That comment has been with me ever since.
I am no Catholic, my Grandpa is and I love him a lot. I am Church of Christ, and I know that there are plenty of websites out there devoted to disagreeing with what I believe the Bible says, but why would I go to that website.


Well I guess it would depend if you were lured there or not. I originally went to Candy's blog because she was listed as a homeschooling blog up for an award. I think that's how most women find her. But once there you get smacked with her anti-Catholic rhetoric.

It is not going to build me up in any way.
I have recently learned that when you study the Bible look at the Bible to find out if what you believe is wrong, not if what you believe is right! Meaning don't just find verses out of context and try and make it prove your point.


An excellent point! and one that our nemesis could benefit from applying!



That might be a better use of your time then visiting Candy's blog.
So you maybe asking "Then why are you here." Well my wife posted on her blog one day then a few days later she got to wondering about these anti-Candy blogs so she made her way here to find her comment on this site. She told me about it and I thought I would come check it out.


Who is your wife?


I am not mad. I am really not.

Nor should you be.

I do really wish you would spend more time loving people and showing people Jesus in the way you live (because I know that you are good people, I know that) and not spend time just ripping up what someone else has to say.

We correct errors and misinformation on Catholicism. That's hardly "ripping." Of course it would help if I knew who your wife was and what exactly she said so that I could illustrate that point better.

I can not imagine that a whole lot of good is comming out of it.

Welp Gerald, you would be wrong. I get lots of comments and e-mails of thanks from people who are getting a lot from this site. Feel free to peruse our archives and read some of our informative articles. The debunking of the Vatican vs. God articles is a good place to start. Our debunking of the Whore of Babylon and information on the rosary is good too. In May we also took a look at Catholic beliefs on Mary. All of that is good information about what the Church actually teaches.

If you want to have a websit devoted to the truth then have one with your own post.

I do. In fact, I have two blogs with my own posts.

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Phil 4:8

Way ahead of you bro.

See here
and
here

So anyway I have been here seen it and said what I wanted to. I plan on taking my own advice and I will not be back because comming here is not being a good steward of my time.

By the way, that is called a drive by. You know, like a drive by shooting? Where you just come to kind of get your nasty point across, but don't really come to engage in conversation and discussion. One only wonders why you think that's an effective means of communicating.


(p.s. if you have read this thinking I had angry tones, please reread it and make that inner voice calmer, it is so hard to communicate that in writting, people often hear one thing when another is meant.)


Ditto.

Elena said...

Messjo,

I am a Catholic Christian. There I said it and it wasn't impossible! In fact it was very easy.


As to the cult remark, she who asserts must prove.

Have a nice day.

E.

Tracy said...

Very good reply Elena; to bother coming to this blog, leave a post and then say, I'm never posting again or to make a quick statement "the Catholic church is a cult and then run off... to me that does say a great deal, it tells me that you don't really want the truth, you want the truth that you are telling yourself but you know you won't know what to do if you are proven wrong about the Catholic church, you know that we have the proof that you are wrong.. so you won't stay and discuss it because you might just have to admit, you don't know about the Catholic church at all. Yes, that is taking the easy way out.. I prefer the latter.. God never said it would be easy but he did promise the rewards would be worth it. Blessings!

Clare said...

"I sincerely and honestly think that there are too many people in the world who want to be special; who want to be better than others; who want to know something others don't."

I agree Perplexity. I was kind of hoping you might have a blog as I was interested in what you have to say.
I am much more 'convinced' than you re the Christian truth claims, but I really identify with some of your observations. Well put.

And Elena
"By the same token, I don't think Candy et al know us all that well either. They can't believe that people would make a logical, practical, sincere objection and actually choose to deal with it in a constructive manner. It's totally beyond some of their paradigms. Therefore, to their way of thinking, we must be evil, mean, angry, hateful, hypocritical etc."
Succinct, and very true.

Kelly said...

Messyjo, I wrote in May on the criteria for using the term cult, and discussed how Catholicism met or did not meet that criteria. Perhaps you could review the article and tell me why you feel the term applies to Catholicism.

http://mdcalexatestblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/catholic-cult.html

Blondie said...

Messyjo that is an unbelievably rude, judgmental, and hurtful comment to leave.

angie said...

Lots of "strike and run into the shadows" comments lately. Could it be they can't make a case for silly statements?

Gerald- if you do come back to see if there are any responses to you, you have to understand that this blog DOES have a very positive impact. I, too, stumbled over Candy's blog looking for homemaking information and then was hit up side the head with this anti-Catholic propoganda. You say just close up the screen and walk away, but knowing good and well that other Catholics were reading the same filthy lies, I felt a moral obligation to send her some information to help her understand that she was reading material full of misinformation. The response I got? Basically, I was told that I was a misguided idiot whose prayers are worthless and I was going to hell. Although I don't buy into such nonsense, I was totally tormented by the fact that there was someone out there who would say such things to me when I was nothing but respectful. As you can see from my prior comment on this thread, I do look for any shred of evidence that Candy will change her stance on this. I do like her, aside from her views on Catholicism- that's why I was a regular visitor to her blog.

Maggii said...

Jo,
I am Catholic. I beleive Jesus was God and that he came to sacrifice himself for my sins. I believe I have salvation thru Christ. How am I not a Christian?

Deeny said...

I have been studying the Bible for years it is the reason I am in the Catholic Church. I finally finished My Conversion Story- My Faith Journey to the Catholic Church from Fundamentalism is my new post, if anyone is interested. I wasn't initially going to post all of that, but after I finished I figured why not. I guess I am not religiously anonymous anymore. :-)

I don't think I "lost" my salvation when I entered the Catholic Church.

Just a side not- I don't like the phrase I converted to Catholicism. I did not change religions. I think there should be another term for Christians that come into the Catholic Church. Just my 2 cents.
Have a great day Deeny

angie said...

Just wanted to finish my thought- was interrupted by the kids. :) Gerald, this IS a blog with a wonderful purpose. When you have a person who fills her mind with anti-Catholic bigotry (books she reads, websites she visits, etc.), then passes that misinformation on to a large audience (and gets people there through a homemaking blog), she needs to be held accountable for the lies she is spreading. You turn the other cheek on something like that, and there's no telling the damage that will be done. If she told me that my clothes are ugly or my house was a disgusting mess, then yeah, I walk away saying, "It's not worth it." (like your mom told you to do) But when someone attacks the core of who you are and the people that share your beliefs and way of life, it is an entirely different story. Put the shoe on the other foot and see how it feels before you make judgements.

Fruit of the Spirit said...

Messyjo,
I agree. :)

The catholic "religion" is a cult just as the Mormons & Jehovah Witnesses are a cult. Plain & simple. Truth hurts & that's why catholics get so offended by what Christians say about their pagan practices.

I DO know what I speak of btw, since I was raised catholic & did all things catholic-infant baptism, 1st communion, 10 years of ccd classes where the only things drilled into your head were praying to the saints, angels & mary. Purgatory was always hanging over our heads to keep us in line. Confession was a JOKE since priests are not GOD & can not wash away nor forgive your sins. Priests absolving people of their sins is unbiblical.

As an adult I had the good sense to get away from the catholic "religion" that is the biggest money hungry cult out there.

You are all blinded by what your pope or priest tells you. The catholic "religion" screams CULT & many people know it. I just don't understand how so MANY can be so clueless to what is going on in terms of the catholic "religion" & still stand by it.

This blog is nothing more than a smear campaign against Candy & true Christians.

I don't care what you say, how much you flame me on this blog or mine, or through email. I came here to back up Messyjo because she is a friend of mine.

Elena said...

The catholic "religion" is a cult just as the Mormons & Jehovah Witnesses are a cult. Plain & simple. Truth hurts & that's why catholics get so offended by what Christians say about their pagan practices.

Greetings Fruit of Spirit aka White Daisy, Prairie Flower, Moonstar3c and Lady of RFH. Some of the readers might remember that just a year ago, you were one of the more outspoken critics of Candy on this blog! What a difference a year makes eh?

I DO know what I speak of btw, since I was raised catholic & did all things catholic-infant baptism, 1st communion, 10 years of ccd classes where the only things drilled into your head were praying to the saints, angels & mary. Purgatory was always hanging over our heads to keep us in line. Confession was a JOKE since priests are not GOD & can not wash away nor forgive your sins. Priests absolving people of their sins is unbiblical.

OK I get it. You were a poorly catechized Catholic and now you're ticked about it. I totally understand and you are definitely not alone!

The rest of these assertions I would like you to prove.

As an adult I had the good sense to get away from the catholic "religion"

Well actually you sent me an e-mail last year that you were going back into the Church. As far as your religious beliefs go, you seem to be on a merry-go-round and unsure of where to get off exactly.

that is the biggest money hungry cult out there.

OK. Prove it. Let's see a list of the top ten "cults" and their financial info.


You are all blinded by what your pope or priest tells you. The catholic "religion" screams CULT & many people know it.


Argumentum ad Nauseam fallacy.

I just don't understand how so MANY can be so clueless to what is going on in terms of the catholic "religion" & still stand by it.

What precisely are we clueless about? BTW Kelly answers some of your claims in her newest post.

This blog is nothing more than a smear campaign against Candy & true Christians.

LOL! Well hon you were right in there last year. Other than your own ad hominem comments, an example of a smear would be?

I don't care what you say, how much you flame me on this blog or mine, or through email. I came here to back up Messyjo because she is a friend of mine.

I don't think either of you have to worry about anyone coming over to flame you. I certainly haven't commented on your many blogs over the past year. I don't see a need to start now.

Blondie said...

Deeny, I never thought of it that way before, but you are right. I didn't "convert" in that I didn't change "religions." My Christian faith was fulfilled, was finally complete, when I became Catholic. Good point!

I will have to come read your "conversion" story on your blog. I need to get mine together someday (it's been 3 years for me!).

If she told me that my clothes are ugly or my house was a disgusting mess, then yeah, I walk away saying, "It's not worth it." (like your mom told you to do) But when someone attacks the core of who you are and the people that share your beliefs and way of life, it is an entirely different story. Put the shoe on the other foot and see how it feels before you make judgements.

Amen to that Angie, that is EXACTLY why this blog is so important!

Nancy Parode said...

So, fruit of the spirit, if we're all blindly following our "pope or priest," where does that leave Anglicans (who have bishops), or anyone with a pastor, for that matter?

And, if my church is "money hungry," why are so many inner-city parishes being closed? Why does my pastor ask us to increase our contributions to pay basic parish expenses like the electric bill? Why does my parish have special collections for homebuilding in Hurricane Katrina relief areas, for mission work in Mexico, for our sister parish in inner city Baltimore? We collect that money to give it away, not to embellish our church or buy bon bons.

I'm sad that your CCD experience was so bad. I assure you that the classes I've taught focused primarily on the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, on the Bible, and other teachings I assume are important to ALL Christians. Yes, Catholics have a special devotion to Mary and the saints, but we don't worship them. Or statues.

I'm highly confused by your assertion that we're the ones flaming folks. I certainly don't call your church a cult (or Candy's, or Messyjo's). I don't insult your beliefs. Please stop insulting mine.

Kelly said...

Confession was a JOKE since priests are not GOD & can not wash away nor forgive your sins. Priests absolving people of their sins is unbiblical.

Really, what about John 20:21-23 "Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained."

Jesus gave his Apostles the power to forgive sins, so clearly, it is possible for someone other than God to forgive sins.

I already wrote about the Biblical basis here:
http://mdcalexatestblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/i-confess-that-its-biblical.html

I have written about pretty much all of the topics that you brought up here, and on your blog. The search box at the top of the blog is very easy to use, if you are really interested in knowing the truth.

Kelly said...

http://mdcalexatestblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/
i-confess-that-its-biblical.html

The link looks cut off on my computer, so here is a cut-and-paste-able version.

Blondie said...

Regarding Kelly's response to FOTS/WhiteDaisy/Prairieflower, etc:

Confession was a JOKE since priests are not GOD & can not wash away nor forgive your sins. Priests absolving people of their sins is unbiblical.

Really, what about John 20:21-23 "Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained."

Jesus gave his Apostles the power to forgive sins, so clearly, it is possible for someone other than God to forgive sins.


What is a JOKE to me is when Protestant TRY to explain this verse. Way before I ever knew anything about Catholicism this verse confounded me; I discussed it with my pastor, in Bible studies, read commentaries, but never once heard anyone explain it to me in a satisfactory manner. Some even tried to say the verse meant that all Christians were given this power. That's quite funny. Thank God after becoming Catholic the entire Bible is finally making sense to me.

Saved Sinner said...

Gerald's "drive-by" comment reminds me of some of the comments made in response to my infamous comment to Candy. They seemed to be saying that if you disagree then you should go away without commenting yet by commenting to say this they were doing the opposite of what they preached.

Rachel said...

Fruit of the spirit - I can see that you are greatly confused. My parents raised us Catholic. I said the same things my kids about going to CCD. What I didn't realize was at the time I was slowly laying the foundation of my faith. The sacraments were the stones and CCD classes were the mortor. Attending mass was the framework. But I needed to complete my "building", so to say.

After I made my confirmation, I was free! I married and lived a good life. But something was missing. It wasn't until my own children starting going thru the sacraments that I realized I could not just send them for the stones and mortor and not help build that frame. So we started attending church. Regularly. I started talking to them about God and Jesus and Mary, sacraments, Communion, Saints, Priests, the list goes on. We talked about just going to mass made you feel great. It set the foundation for the rest of your week. Ahh.. foundation? Short-term, but still a foundation. They could see that example. Then I tried to explain about long-term foundations. They just couldn't comprehend. They were only kids. I know in time, in their lives, they WILL see.

We talked and we talked about faith and prayer and community when we lost our ENTIRE HOME AND CONTENTS in the hurricane. Life was in an uproar, but my Faith never altered. The church, members, friends, family.. all stepped in a did a bit here and a bit there.. and we made it. I talk to my kids often about how their cousins (my bro's and sis's kids) don't have that foundation even started. They have no clue about really, truly turning to your faith for support and strength. Life is hard. And sometimes you go thru very difficult times. What will you do during those times? Who will you turn to? I lead my family during that horrible time thru the example of my faith. They saw it. They lived it with me.

My point being.. even after making my Confirmation and being an adult in the church, my learning and seeking knowledge about my religion has never ceased. My "building" will not be complete. Ever. I will never know too much or even enough about my religion to say I'm done.

Sometimes we have to look, question, think, research things on our own. We cannot always rely on others to instruct us; to give us great wisdom. It takes work. And sometimes people just don't want to work.

I'll just say... it's worth it.

Fruit of the Spirit said...

Elena, oh my! What shall I do now that you've blogged some of but certainly not all of my previous i.d.s? LOL!!!

What is posting my previous i.d.s from the past supposed to do to me? Upset me? SORRY. It doesn't. Who cares about what i.d.s i've used in the past. You may think that you've really "showed me" on your blog to your cheering squad but in reality all you've done is show how catty you are.

People change. I won't apologize for the opinions I hold. At least I can sign a blog comment with my i.d. name & not as anonymous like you have on my previous blog. Please.

I am so glad that I found out the truth about the catholic cult. I am so glad that I walked away from a brainwashing cult. It's too bad that catholics refuse to see the truth.

Pretty much everyone here at VTC are a bunch of gossips. Grow up already. We are not in high school. I don't want to hear your catholic propaganda & I don't want to hear your flimsy excuses defending your cult. When I get them in my email or haloscan I delete them.

The reason for VTC is to slander Candy & anyone else whom you feel like slandering. You keep on because you have your cheering squad egging you on. Plain & simple. This must make you feel pretty good about yourself.

I came here the other day defending MessyJo. I knew once she stated her opinions about your cult that you & your vultures would come circling. You & the others want to pick a fight with me & anyone else because of our opinions about the catholic cult.

You & the others can think what you must about me. Your opinions mean nothing to me. I don't like bullies & I don't take kindly to intimidation either. Doesn't work with me.

Now, go ahead & gather your cheering squad around you & pick apart everything i've said in this comment. I know you will because that's how gossips operate. I will no longer waste my time here. I'm done with this site & all of you on it.

Elena said...

Wow FOS, you sure told me off!

I guess I'll just take the advice of William G. McAdoo and let you have the last rant...er...word.