A record of the comments I make on Candy Brauer's KeepingtheHome.com Blog - just in case!
"There are not over a 100 people in the U.S. that hate the Catholic Church, there are millions however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church which is, of course, quite a different thing." Fulton Sheen
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I goofed and double posted something, but Clare left a message here that I thought was particularly pertinent to our struggles with Candy at wwwkeepingthehome.com, so I wanted to leave it up.
Since this comment has just resulted in a ban from commenting at candys blog i thought I would share it with you here. Even though I have been pretty blunt, I don't think that it is in any way meeting the banning criteria of 'abuse, hate or just plain ridiculousness' that she cites. I've also posted this at CIAL.
Candy Your comment about disagreement at the end seems to be saying that although free to disagree, anyone who did so would be wrong because they haven't studied it enough. Do you know, there are many who have made this study their lifes work and who would disagree with you? Of course you do, but this is not a site for a fair and respectful discusion of the truth. It is a site for the promulgation of your strange religious ideas. I'm sorry you have spent over 10 years purposefully seeking out information that supports your flawed beliefs and ignoring the rest. That isn't scholarship, that's wilful ignorance. I'm sure you know that, in this, you are NOT pleasing God, but satisfying yourself. God is not afraid of the truth, he is the author of it. You have nothing to be afraid of in dissenting veiws if you have the truth. The fact that you haven't published the intelligent objections you have received thus far, tells me you are very afraid that you may be adrift. Hence the need to keep shoring up your position with constant reminders of your 'years of study'. The truth is the truth Candy, whichever way you bend it, slice it and dice it.
I sincerely hope you open your heart to find it.It will set you free. BE NOT AFRAID!
Clare, I wonder if Candy's reasons for banning you and others may be because she is confused by the fact that you are so sincere and Christian in your beliefs and way of speaking and doesn't know how to deal with it. She may think that if someone is wrong (as she believes) then they must be knowingly wrong and evil, and that it should be obvious to them (and to her) that their beliefs contradict the truth. So when someone is polite and sincere and loves the truth (as they see it) she feels threatened (I am only conjecturing). As you may remember, I am 'protestant' and have many objections to Roman Catholic teachings and practices. It IS hard to understand that very sincere and loving people don't see the truth as I see it, that the Bible as God's Word stands alone, and man's word will pass away. There are many who have studied both sides and come away confirmed that Roman Catholicism is not the true church (as I have been doing) and many more who have left the Roman Catholic church for the same reason. Of course there are also many who have become Roman Catholic after long study. So both are sincere, though both cannot be right. There is only one truth. This is all to say that even if Candy may be naive and not understand that people can be sincerely wrong, it doesn't mean that Bible Christians are wrong or that they are all insecure.
As I've mentioned earlier, it's no wonder you come to the conclusions about the RCC and possess many objections. I would probably feel the same way if I read the same stuff that you do. Expand your horizons. To quote Martha Stewart, "It's a good thing".
She may think that if someone is wrong (as she believes) then they must be knowingly wrong and evil, and that it should be obvious to them (and to her) that their beliefs contradict the truth
That's funny, because you sure put a lot of stock into all these websites that you post. So far, it seems you only filter out the stuff that doesn't agree with your bleak worldview on Christianity and its history.
DrMikeyMike, I assume you are filtering your reading through some system of belief, if not the Bible, so are you actually reading both sides as you think I should (and I am) or are you too afraid you might learn something that would shake up your world? However only a born again Christian can have the foundation of God's word to stand on and keep from being shaken.
Elena, Here are some catholic sources I have read recently: Many of your blog archives; historicalchristian.com archives; Other catholic blogs you have linked to; Following are the sources I have read and saved on my computer (I've also read some I did not save so don't have a record of unless I wade through my history file and find them): http://www.zeitun-eg.org/ecfidx.htm
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Since this comment has just resulted in a ban from commenting at candys blog i thought I would share it with you here.
Even though I have been pretty blunt, I don't think that it is in any way meeting the banning criteria of 'abuse, hate or just plain ridiculousness' that she cites.
I've also posted this at CIAL.
Candy
Your comment about disagreement at the end seems to be saying that although free to disagree, anyone who did so would be wrong because they haven't studied it enough.
Do you know, there are many who have made this study their lifes work and who would disagree with you? Of course you do, but this is not a site for a fair and respectful discusion of the truth. It is a site for the promulgation of your strange religious ideas.
I'm sorry you have spent over 10 years purposefully seeking out information that supports your flawed beliefs and ignoring the rest. That isn't scholarship, that's wilful ignorance.
I'm sure you know that, in this, you are NOT pleasing God, but satisfying yourself.
God is not afraid of the truth, he is the author of it. You have nothing to be afraid of in dissenting veiws if you have the truth. The fact that you haven't published the intelligent objections you have received thus far, tells me you are very afraid that you may be adrift. Hence the need to keep shoring up your position with constant reminders of your 'years of study'.
The truth is the truth Candy, whichever way you bend it, slice it and dice it.
I sincerely hope you open your heart to find it.It will set you free.
BE NOT AFRAID!
Clare,
I wonder if Candy's reasons for banning you and others may be because she is confused by the fact that you are so sincere and Christian in your beliefs and way of speaking and doesn't know how to deal with it. She may think that if someone is wrong (as she believes) then they must be knowingly wrong and evil, and that it should be obvious to them (and to her) that their beliefs contradict the truth. So when someone is polite and sincere and loves the truth (as they see it) she feels threatened (I am only conjecturing).
As you may remember, I am 'protestant' and have many objections to Roman Catholic teachings and practices. It IS hard to understand that very sincere and loving people don't see the truth as I see it, that the Bible as God's Word stands alone, and man's word will pass away.
There are many who have studied both sides and come away confirmed that Roman Catholicism is not the true church (as I have been doing) and many more who have left the Roman Catholic church for the same reason. Of course there are also many who have become Roman Catholic after long study. So both are sincere, though both cannot be right. There is only one truth.
This is all to say that even if Candy may be naive and not understand that people can be sincerely wrong, it doesn't mean that Bible Christians are wrong or that they are all insecure.
As I've mentioned earlier, it's no wonder you come to the conclusions about the RCC and possess many objections. I would probably feel the same way if I read the same stuff that you do. Expand your horizons. To quote Martha Stewart, "It's a good thing".
She may think that if someone is wrong (as she believes) then they must be knowingly wrong and evil, and that it should be obvious to them (and to her) that their beliefs contradict the truth
I use to think like that - in about 5th grade.
DrMikeyMike,
I read many things, but I filter everything through God's Word, and don't believe everything I read.
That's funny, because you sure put a lot of stock into all these websites that you post. So far, it seems you only filter out the stuff that doesn't agree with your bleak worldview on Christianity and its history.
DrMikeyMike,
I assume you are filtering your reading through some system of belief, if not the Bible, so are you actually reading both sides as you think I should (and I am) or are you too afraid you might learn something that would shake up your world? However only a born again Christian can have the foundation of God's word to stand on and keep from being shaken.
out of curiosity Jennie, what Catholic sources have you read exactly?
Elena,
Here are some catholic sources I have read recently:
Many of your blog archives;
historicalchristian.com archives;
Other catholic blogs you have linked to;
Following are the sources I have read and saved on my computer (I've also read some I did not save so don't have a record of unless I wade through my history file and find them):
http://www.zeitun-eg.org/ecfidx.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0134.htm
http://www.catholicfaithandreason.org/fathersoneucharist.htm
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/s2.htm
http://archive.salvationhistory.com/online/intermediate/course2_lesson3.cfm#The%20Annunciation
http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/appdisce/montfort.html
http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m4/ma.html
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0510fea5.asp
http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/marymenu.htm (some of it)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariology
http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id249.html
http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?Pgnu=1&Pg=Forum4&recnu=1&number=442714
http://www.americancatholic.org/Messenger/May2006/traditions.asp
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04153a.htm
http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/justification/justify_6.htm
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/03/biblical-theological-primer-on-mary.html
http://www.intermirifica.org/Mary/ark.htm
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